Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough

Apparently, Senator Obama apologized for this comment saying it was a habit of his to call women "sweetie."  There seems to be a pattern here.  You all be the judge.

http://www.youtube.com/v/Juy9NwI8_i0& ;hl



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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 2)

common, I don't like the guy, and I don't even care about this. Its not sexist, he doesn't hate women or anything. however, from this talk, I wouldn't be surprised if he's another philanderer like Bill Clinton, but who cares, honestly. All politicians and Presidents are.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:33:56 PM EST

Amen (none / 0)

women call me, "darling" all the time.

as in, "darling, did you see the game, last nite?"  

do I view the term as sexist?  Not in the least.  


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:58:17 PM EST
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Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (2.00 / 3)

with the theory that Obama is sexist and/or habitually condescending toward women. Michelle seems like a pretty independent, strong woman, and I doubt she'd put up with that kind of bullshit.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:35:54 PM EST

Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

The "Sweetie" remarks should tip you off.  This is the second time he's done it, BTW.  


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:17 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (2.00 / 1)

I do the same thing to men AND women, using the words, "hon", "sweetie", and "baby/babe". I'm a woman, and I'm not a sexist.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:58 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

Obviously since you're a woman and I'm not, I shouldn't claim expertise on this area.

My sense is that it's different for men and women, though. Women have had a hard time being accepted in many areas of work, and frequently have to deal with disrespect or doubt because of their gender. Thus when a man uses a diminutive and belittling term like that in a professional setting in such a dismissive way, I think it can naturally be thought of as offensive.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:57:42 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (2.00 / 1)

i totally agree with both you and sricki - does not offend me personally, but i can see how it would offend others.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:04:55 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

I think what he said was relatively unprofessional, but I don't think he had any ill intent. I don't think he's really a sexist.

And I have no trouble seeing why people are offended.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:19:53 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

Funny.  I wrote that about myself on another blog that i'm under 45, like wine instead of beer, am well-educated, and prefer lattes to McDonald's coffee.  I'm certainly now an Independent. Good to know you.


by MidwestTracker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:16:05 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

Awesome! There are more of us than people realize.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:21:43 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I'm just having a hard time (none / 0)

One of my very best friends works for Clinton.  She regularly calls me "hon."  Should I have been offended all these years?

Careful with the gasoline.


by niksder on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:58:45 PM EST
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Sorry, but you're a guy (none / 0)

This is BAD. He has a PATTERN. I am not manufacturing this outrage.

You're likeable enough Hillary.
Flipping Hillary the finger to a Jaz-Z song.
Calling Senator Barbara Boxer "cutie".


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:54:45 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, but you're a guy (2.00 / 2)

Okay, except that I'm not a guy. And I don't think you're manufacturing your outrage. I can completely understand why people are offended. I'm just getting too tired to care, and now that he's the likely nominee, I'm going to do my best to be as supportive as possible. I don't think he meant anything by it, though it was inappropriate on a professional level.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:18:28 PM EST
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Sricki I apologize for calling you a guy :) (none / 0)

Peace. Yeah I know you're giving up. But Hillary follows through and I'm going Texas hold-em style all in for her. If it were anybody else I wouldn't.

But I understand. It will all be OK in a few months.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:23:42 PM EST
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Re: Sricki I apologize for calling you a guy :) (2.00 / 1)

Heh, it's okay. I'm the type to hang out with the boys, anyway.

I hate to think of it as giving up, since I'm still making calls for her, and I'd like to think I'm still making a difference with the people I'm talking to. But on an intellectual level, yeah, I guess I've given up. I can't stand the thought of the supers metaphorically backhanding the entire African American community by denying Obama the nomination. I know most people don't see it that way, but I think they would be justifiably outraged. And we can't win without them, anyway.

My heart is with Hillary, but my head is with Obama. Very uncomfortable all around.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:36:39 PM EST
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No agreed on the supers (none / 0)

If they overturn it like that it will be bad.

But they are overturning it by giving it to Obama, since Kennedy, Kerry, etc. are backing Obama.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:53:29 PM EST
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Ah fingergate. (none / 0)

Well, there's no arguing with anyone who still believes that after all the evidence to the contrary.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:59:23 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

I don't like the "sweetie" thing AT ALL.  But it's up to the person on the receiving end to correct that behavior.  If women enjoy that kind of crap from a stranger then they are idiots.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:36:56 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 2)

She didn't "enjoy it."  She called him out on it, on her newscast.

Which is the only reason he apologized, btw.  

"Duly Chastised" my butt.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:39:33 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

I wasn't referring to this particular instance although I am glad to hear she didn't think it was cool.  I am talking about any female who comes along and defends this as being "no big deal".  


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:38 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

Oh, I see.  So you're just trying to change the subject.

Gotcha.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:45 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

I wonder which Alegre will cover, this or the Edwards endorsement.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

Calling a woman you don't know "sweetie" is belittling and sexist.

This is so obvious, I'm embarrassed I even have spell it out, Diamond jay.

Christ.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:37:55 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

chttp://www.mydd.com/user/Tolstoy

Check out earlier diary on this subject and see what the boys have to say - just feminists "bitichin" according to them.


by Tolstoy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:38:19 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

Enough, please.

"Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama. I'm calling to apologize on two fronts. One was you didn't get your question answered and I apologize. I thought that we had set up interviews with all the local stations. I guess we got it with your station but you weren't the reporter that got the interview. And so, I broke my word. I apologize for that and I will make up for it.

Second apology is for using the word 'sweetie.' That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next."


by Pat Flatley on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:40:08 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

When he said "all kinds of people" was he referring to men as well as women?

If he calls men "sweetie" then I'm cool with it.  Please link the video where he does that.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:45:59 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

Why would you "hide" this comment, catfish?

I'm not even mad, just baffled.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:19 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

So he apologized because she reported on it.  Big EFFIN deal.  The apology would be meaningful if he had reflected on his behavior and realized it was wrong.  This is like my 6 year old dumping his juice on the carpet and then apologizing when I yell at him.  That dog just ain't gonna hunt for me.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:47:49 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

He said it was wrong and that he made a mistake.  I've reflected on many of my mistakes in the past, but unfortunately this doesn't mean that I'm immune to repeating them in the future.

It's very hard to be a Democrat on this website.  We've had the opportunity to witness an historic primary with two extraordinary candidates.  Instead of uniting to render the horrific policies of the last eight years into the dustbin of history, we have to try to incite outrage in diaries such as these.  Where have you gone, MyDD?


by Pat Flatley on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:52:33 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

He apologized when he was called on it.  That was the only reason.  My suggestion to him would be to cool the "bad habit" of referring to women as sweetie or cutie because IMO that shows a huge lack of respect toward women.  If my boyfriend wants to call me these things that is one thing but if you don't know me my name is Jennifer, thank you very much.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:59 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

At least he didn't need to be called on it for a week by literally dozens of people before he mustered an apology. He apologized immediately after being called on it by one person.

There's a huge difference there. He apologized. Immediately. He didn't say he misspoke. He didn't say he was tired. He said it was a bad habit and he apologized for it.

Of course I'm not going to say you shouldn't be outraged. If you're outraged, be outraged. But this is hardly the worst thing anyone's said during this campaign, and unlike many, many of them, he owned up to it and apologized right away. I can name some at least one extremely prominent individual who has yet to apologize for their wildly inappropriate remarks.


No Way. No How. No McCain-Palin!
by Texas Gray Wolf on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:43:37 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

So your's is a "two wrongs make a right" argument?  


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:26:08 PM EST
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What makes you think he even KNEW he did it (none / 0)

until then. You know what. Men and women are dying in Iraq today, and you're obsessing over one human calling another sweetie. This is one reason why this world is so freakin' screwed up.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:01:45 PM EST
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Re: What makes you think he even KNEW he did it (none / 0)

Nobody is obsessing over this.  It is just one of many discussions.  And if you are going to go around rating what is discussion worthy I am sure you can find plenty on both sides to give your thumbs down over.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:27:13 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

Well, he called Senator Boxer CUTIE.  Uh yes, a terrible habit he has.  Demeaning and condescinding, sexism.

A fellow, SENIORED Senator, at a business function, he calls her a Cutie?

How would it go over if she attended one of his business functions and she said, isn't he a "Stud"?  Eyebrows would be raised for a good reason.  But we don't have to try to bury our own thoughts from leaking out.  He does.


by LindaSFNM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:40:18 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

http://www.wxyz.com/news/story.aspx?cont ent_id=13d1f66a-488b-46d3-9d3b-6632e0a8f 1f7
Obama apologized in a voicemail he left on Agar's cell phone at 3:16 p.m:

"Hi Peggy. This is Barack Obama. I'm calling to apologize on two fronts. One was you didn't get your question answered and I apologize. I thought that we had set up interviews with all the local stations. I guess we got it with your station but you weren't the reporter that got the interview. And so, I broke my word. I apologize for that and I will make up for it.

"Second apology is for using the word 'sweetie.' That's a bad habit of mine. I do it sometimes with all kinds of people. I mean no disrespect and so I am duly chastened on that front. Feel free to call me back. I expect that my press team will be happy to try to make it up to you whenever we are in Detroit next."
....

I think considering his two sweet children and his sweet wife, i'll let this slip ;)


by standd on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:40:30 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

How many separate diaries need to be done on this?

As a guy and a Obama supporter -- yes I agree that it is bad, but he apologized for it, saying that it was a bad habit of his. It'd be preferable if the apology was quoted, if you want complete coverage of the issue.

And as I've said, in my opinion it doesn't even compare to the sexual usage of female underlings, that Bill Clinton was guilty of (and for which reason I consider the worst living president on the issue of feminism).


by Aris Katsaris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

About half as many as we had on the Edwards endorsement.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:58:58 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

HA! Good one.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:58 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

We going to get rec-list diaries on this tomorrow from alegre, TexasDarlin, and linfar?  I can hardly wait!


by Skaje on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:48 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

How many days and diaries?  I say the "issue" will be on the rec list for, say three days?


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:18:19 PM EST
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You know what. I get called Sweetie. (none / 0)

There's this young woman who is a rep for a company that I buy stuff from. She's relatively new there and a few weeks ago she left me a phone message. I was listening to it with my daughter, and after she left her message she closed with, "Bye sweetie." Keep in mind I'd never talked to this woman.

My daughter and I looked at each other to check if we'd both heard the same thing, and then burst out laughing. Our immediate thought was that the woman was probably so used to addressing her significant other on the phone that way that it became a habit, and she must have been mortified after she got off the phone.

Turns out, it's just how she is. I had never spoke to the lady at the point of her first message, but after subsequent conversations I realized that it's just what she does. She doesn't mean anything by it.

Every Wednesday I take my 91 year old grandfather out to lunch. Often we get waitresses who insist on calling my grandfather sweetie. It irks me a bit, being a little too familiar, but then I think, they mean no harm. It's just a habit with them.

An overtired Sen. Obama called someone sweetie, and then almost immediately called to make a personal apology. The misogynist spawn of Satan! He must be scheming the subjugation of all women.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:48:25 PM EST

Re: You know what. I get called Sweetie. (none / 0)

I understand your point.

Frankly, though, it's different when a man says it to a woman than the other way around. Men don't have a history of being disrespected because of their gender.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:51:54 PM EST
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Re: You know what. I get called Sweetie. (2.00 / 1)

He's done it twice (that we know of) during this campaign season.

If Hillary Clinton called a black reporter "boy," would you excuse her by saying she was tired and you've heard people call each other "boy" before?

Stop defending him on this.  Just stop.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:53:45 PM EST
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Re: You know what. I get called Sweetie. (none / 0)

Oh please. Sweetie, and boy, are not analogous and you know it. He didn't call her the b-word. He didn't call her "woman". Have a sense of perspective.

For all you know he calls his wife sweetie, as I often call my wife "hon". I know I've made the mistake of responding too instinctively to a comment from a woman other than my wife with "hon", and had to apologize. Maybe that's it. But no. You are incapable of giving anyone the benefit of a doubt. You immediately discount a man's entire record because you're desperate to prove NARAL wrong and paint this man as something he's not. It's quite frankly pathetic.

This guy is going to be the Democratic nominee, and he has a really good record on women's issues (see some of my other comments or my diary about this on DKos).

BTW, know what John McCain has called his lovely wife in public? I'll give you a hint. It begins with C. Maybe that's the kind of person you'd like to have in the White House.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:02:29 PM EST
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Re: You know what. I get called Sweetie. (none / 0)

She's not his wife, which makes this exactly analogous.  

They're both said to belittle the other, to diminish them, to infantilize them.

They're the same insult.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:07:50 PM EST
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The hell they are. (none / 0)

Let me go into any restaurant in town and call some woman sweetie and then call another the C word and let's just see if they're the same thing. There's that perspective thing again.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:56:41 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 1)

It's incredibly belittling and demeaning to call a woman you don't know "sweetie" in a working situation like that. Add in the dismissive tone of the statement, and the chuckles afterwards from the men around him, and it's clear why she was offended, and very legitimately so.

How many men here would seriously call a female coworker you don't know well a "sweetie"? Would you say that to a department store cashier, a loan officer, or a dentist? I can't imagine doing such a thing.

Personally, if something like that ever escaped my lips, I'd hope to disappear in shame on the spot.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:49:49 PM EST

The chuckles from the men (none / 0)

make it really bad. I'm not exaggerating.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:57:10 PM EST
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Re: The chuckles from the men (none / 0)

Seriously, if I ever said that to one of my female coworkers, I don't know how I'd ever face them again. Why would they think I have any respect for them professionally?


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:00:00 PM EST
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Well I wouldn't go that far (none / 0)

But if you had a history of this type of thing like he does, then yeah.

If it's a slip and you addressed it right away, but not in such a lame Barry-like way, then it would be fine.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:21:40 PM EST
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Re: Well I wouldn't go that far (2.00 / 0)

Maybe if I apologized immediately--as in, that very second.

But you have to have a certain mindset to say something like that. And once that's revealed, it's tough to go back.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:28:33 PM EST
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You get it (none / 0)

My boss says a lot of un-p.c. things, but if he did that he would immediately say sorry, I didn't mean that, I need to make sure you were not offended. Are you sure? OK because I need to make sure.

He's funny that way. Constantly asking if I'm sure. Wonder if he was sued in a past job or something.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:25:03 PM EST
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As did he as soon as he realized what he'd done. (none / 0)

Really. Making a mountain out of this molehill makes you look desperate. He did it by accident. He apologized and offered the woman an exclusive interview. What more do you expect of the guy?

I know. I know. You expect him not to make the mistake in the first place. You know we're not all as perfect as you perhaps, but we're working on it.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:06:22 PM EST
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Re: As did he as soon as he realized what he'd don (2.00 / 1)

It's not a molehill because you say it is, Travis.

And, as so many have noted above, this isn't an isolated incident.


by bellarose on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:09:35 PM EST
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Ya, like Obama. (none / 0)

who said it was a bad habit. I think it's a habitual mistake that's relatively common to father's of two beautiful little girls as well.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:51:15 PM EST
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Nope. He needs to work on this. (2.00 / 1)

It's no mistake Hillary is getting so many women to vote for her. I never considered the "woman thing" until I saw Barack talking to Hillary the way he did. My bf's mother in New Hampshire said Barack's "you're likeable enough" comment turned her vote to Hillary.

His snub of her in the Senate, his giving her the finger to a Jay-Z song, it's a problem.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:29:52 PM EST
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Gotta love people who see sexism in everything. (none / 0)

He was joking with the your likable, in much the same way I'm sure Hillary was with the "getting Barack a pillow" comment.

He did not give her the finger, and you've been presented with all the evidence that proves that. If you persist in believing otherwise that's your problem. Not anyone else's.

He did not snub her in the Senate, unless you count a frame of a fraction of a second of video.

Obama has gone out of his way to be the absolute gentleman in this race. More so than any candidate I've ever seen. He's even been criticized in the media for not "going at her" more. Your Hillary support is blinding you.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:18:06 PM EST
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Re: Ya, like Obama. (none / 0)

Wish I could give you mojo.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:20:33 PM EST
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Gratuitous personal insults aside... (2.00 / 1)

He didn't realize it as soon as he did. He apologized much later, after the report had already aired. Nor is this the first time he's said it.

I'm sure he regrets having been belittling and demeaning in a sexist fashion, and I'm sure he thinks sexism is wrong. But that he said it reveals something about him. Sorry.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:14:24 PM EST
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As did he as soon as he realized what he'd done. (2.00 / 0)

HELLO?  He apologized because it got out that he did that.  He didn't immediately check himself on the spot and correct his behavior.  Like I said my children will apologize when I catch them acting up but if I don't they go on about their day like it never happened.  Same situation here.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:20:02 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

What a fun site, where everything Obama says is sexist and reveals the secrets so deeply rooted in his character, and where everything Clinton(s) does is NOT racist, has been entirely misinterpreted, and is, in fact, evidence that OBAMA is the racist, because his campaign or the media have called it out.

Delusional.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:03:43 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

I didn't think the business about claws or periodically meant anything at all.

This is more clear cut to me.


by OrangeFur on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:16:18 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

I think it was wrong to have said it, but it just came out as a reaction.  As someone who spends most of his time with one woman, and who happens to refer to her as "sweetie" much of the time, I know that I have also accidentally blurted it out (yes, even at men).  And, since there's a perfectly acceptable way to use it, which is with people to whom we have that kind of personal connection, I don't think we can assume he meant to be demeaning or sexist.  

But he apologized for treating her personally instead of professionally, and I don't see the problem past that.  People make mistakes.  I'm glad he apologizes for his.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:27:18 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

For the record, Obama said thusly:
"you are likeable enough, no doubt about that."  
More appreciative than dismissive, when you provide the full text of the quote.  
by haystax calhoun on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:39:36 PM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

Speaking for myself, male:
I get my morning coffee and donuts from a lady who calls me "sweetheart, honey, dear, sweetie and dearheart" all within the course of a casual 30 second exchange.  She does it with everybody else too.  It's funny, and charming, and nobody takes offense, nor should they.  But then again, to each his own, so I have to wonder what your reaction might be...
by haystax calhoun on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:45:54 PM EST

You're male, and she's not your boss or (2.00 / 1)

an authority figure. Barack is an authority figure. It was very dismissive and it is not OK.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:30:48 PM EST
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Re: You're male, and she's not your boss or (none / 0)

and Barack is not the reporter's boss either and has no authority over her.  So?


by haystax calhoun on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:56:27 AM EST
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A president is an authority figure (2.00 / 1)

He needs to fix this for the general. It doesn't just hurt her, it hurts a lot of women when he does that in public and people see it, think it's OK to do.


by catfish1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:38:02 AM EST
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OK. You want at it. Let's go at it. (none / 0)

Let's compare Obama's "sweetie" to some other public figure's treatment of women. Let's pick. Oh. I don't know. How about Bill Clinton?


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:52:41 PM EST

Re: OK. You want at it. Let's go at it. (2.00 / 1)

Bill is the spouse of the candidate, not the candidate.  I seem to recall the Obama supporters not appreciating the comments/criticism of Michelle Obama so enough with the double standard.  If Hillary referred to some reporter as "sugarcakes" or "dumpling" people would be all over her.


by JustJennifer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:30:36 PM EST
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Bill treats women better (2.00 / 1)

I am not joking. He is not dismissive of them.


by catfish1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 10:31:21 PM EST
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You know what. I'm not stooping this low. (none / 0)

Suffice to say Bill's objectification of young women is somewhat well documented. Better make sure there's no film of him calling them "sweetie" though or then he'll be in real trouble.

I actually hope you make a huge deal out of this. It's just what your candidate needs at this point, to look petty and laughable. Go for it.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 14, 2008 at 11:12:33 PM EST
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You should make a big deal of this (none / 0)

Go for it. Please. It's Hillary's fault Bill did all of this?

I don't think you know how deep, how visceral this whole campaign has been. Obama was my candidate at first.


by catfish1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:08:24 AM EST
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Did I say Hill was responsible for Bill? (none / 0)

No. I did not.

And I do know how visceral this is. This is not my first campaign and I know what it's like to be invested in a candidate who's going to lose.

What I'm saying is that Hillary supporters hold up Bill, the 2 for 1 deal, the great asset to the campaign, as the paragon of good politicians, and then pounce on Obama for accidentally saying "sweetie" and apologizing profusely. Quite the double standard of tolerance I'd say.

Get me right. I don't think it's a good idea to go around calling women you don't have a personal relationship with "sweetie", but neither does Obama, and there are a lot of reasons that he may be prone to doing this, and given his record, not one of them is likely to be sexism.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Thu May 15, 2008 at 06:58:13 AM EST
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This is an historic campaign (2.00 / 1)

"This is not my first campaign and I know what it's like to be invested in a candidate who's going to lose." This is an historic campaign and a woman like Hillary will not come along in my lifetime. Sure we will probably find some hawk or some qualified woman to run and maybe even win. But not someone like Hillary.

And Obama is probably the least qualified candidate in history. Kroft asked him what he's managed and Obama says "my Senate office" which he didn't even manage well if he called no subcommittee hearings for that subcommittee he was given as a chance to prove himself. What experience do you have "I wrote two books" the first he wrote at age 35 the second book was a collection of quotes.

Hillary will never get to run again.

And of all the people in Congress, I don't know any who call Barbara Boxer "cutie" or would call that reporter "sweetie."

"I don't think it's a good idea to go around calling women you don't have a personal relationship with "sweetie", but neither does Obama, and there are a lot of reasons that he may be prone to doing this, and given his record, not one of them is likely to be sexism."
If Obama doesn't think it's a good idea he would have caught himself right there and then. I saw this right after he won Iowa he is so arrogant, more than Bush. That's when I decided to back Hillary.

There is such a thing as unconscious racism and unconscious sexism. Get a clue, please.


by catfish1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:45:45 AM EST
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Re: This is an historic campaign (none / 0)

You're believing your own campaign hype. You obviously have not read either book as the second is not a compilation of quotes (I'm most of the way through it at this point.), but rather a real insight into his views on the world.

Go back and check out his legislative record, which is longer than Hillary's. It's time to stop believing the anti-Obama hype and start looking at things like allies instead of enemies.

Look, you wanted Hillary to win. I get that. She lost. It's terrible for you, but Obama is a good candidate, and orders of magnitude better than McCain.

Your grasping at straws because you see this upstart as taking away the dream, but it's not sexism. It's that he had the gall to run for President THIS year of all years. I wish you peace and consolation. Hopefully, after some time, you'll be back working to defeat John McCain.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:06:24 PM EST
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The second book is sophmoric (2.00 / 1)

compared to the first, which he wrote at age 35.

No his legislative record is not longer than Hillary's. Read this.

You seem to want Obama to win the nomination but not the general. He needs to improve his attitude and how he interacts with women.


by catfish1 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 01:58:54 PM EST
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Re: The second book is sophmoric (none / 0)

You did not read the second book. I don't believe you.

And read what. You forgot the link.

And his legislative record is certainly longer than Clintons.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Thu May 15, 2008 at 04:00:26 PM EST
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Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (none / 0)

Where I work, a customer (a lady) calls me honey all the time.

Should I react negatively?

Jeez.


by RussTC3 on Thu May 15, 2008 at 12:36:35 AM EST

Re: Sweetie, You are Likeable Enough (2.00 / 0)

It's like call him "boy".


by grlpatriot on Thu May 15, 2008 at 09:19:43 AM EST


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